Dogs.

[berube27]

the area i live in (harpers ferry campsites) has had a HUGE dog crackdown. every single house that has been the worst offenders now suddenly have chained and/or fenced dogs. from what i am hearing from all the complainers, their wallets have been significantly lightened due to heavy fines to get their dogs back. anyone else out there witnessing this phenomenon? i eagerly look forward to this trend continuing.

[xx(]

btw- i put this in the NW forum, because as far as i am concerned the dog problem is a danger to the community and the negligent owners are in fact breaking the law by letting dogs run (and kill eachother) in packs.

[LabLady]

I don't know where the Harper's Ferry Campsite is located, but, I am missing a female black labrador. We think she crossed the river from Mount Hammond (north of Lover's Leap). If by chance you see a beautiful black lab, female, wearing burgundy collar (with ID tag), please contact us. We are offering a $$ reward.

[Subie]

quote:the area i live in (harpers ferry campsites) has had a HUGE dog crackdown.
Why and how do you suppose that was accomplished? It certainly needs to happen here in Shannondale. Any suggestions??

[betcsu]

i posted somewhere a couple of weeks ago that i actually saw an animal control truck in shannondale at gates 3/4 about mid-september. i was shocked as i dont recall ever having seen one in the 10 years we've been here.

[berube27]

Subie...

well from what i understand the neighborhood dogs have been killing eachother and cats. was that true? i dont know. but animal control HAS to take the dogs if they are told they killed something (hint hint hint). they quarantine the dogs for 10 days and charge the owners $200 per dog or sumthin. they have to do the same if they are TOLD that a person was attacked. again, hint, hint, hint.

[xx(]

[Subie]

b27,
I can't say that I've heard anything like that happening in Shannondale (dogs killing cats and each other). With the number of both dogs AND cats running loose, it doesn't seem like it. While walking my dog early this spring (on a leash as required by law, hint, hint, hint :)) we were viciously attacked by a loose dog. Resulted in a trip to the vet to the tune of about $75 bucks and a dog who is now very skittish of anything we encounter when we're walking (other than squirrels and deer). I reported it to Animal Control but was given the usual "we're understaffed" - "not a lot we can do about it, but we'll try our best to contact the owner" (and I was able to tell them the exact location of the owner's house), blah, blah, blah, and never heard back from them. I'm partly to blame I guess, because I didn't keep hounding (no pun intended) them. It's RARE that I see the animal control truck up here.

[Nanuk]

quote:Originally posted by berube27

but animal control HAS to take the dogs if they are told they killed something (hint hint hint). they quarantine the dogs for 10 days and charge the owners $200 per dog or sumthin. they have to do the same if they are TOLD that a person was attacked. again, hint, hint, hint.

[xx(]



Just to let you know, animal control officers are police officers for the purpose of the law which makes it a misdemeanor to file a false police report or otherwise give material false information to a police officer. (hint, hint, hint.)

[berube27]

psst... our police dont arrest kids who are known to break in to peoples homes. with that type of work ethic, do you think they will bother with the paperwork and hassle of making a case of it? get real.

and you can BET YOUR A$$ that no false reports came around here. they were all 100% authentic and its about &^#$#$#&* time.

[xx(]

[Subie]

Now I'm curious. Maybe I'll call Animal Control and see if they can tell me how they followed up on my complaint. Could be interesting?

[Doc Walters]

Some dogs just can't be kept penned up, or on a leash all day. Some that run loose are harmless and alot of others love the same dog.

Please don't start a war on neighbors dogs that are harmless, less ya P off the whole family.

Doc (Animal Lover Extrordinaire) Walters

[Neal]

LabLady...
Edna King ask the HOS presidents to keep and eye out for Maggie. We wish you luck.

Jefferson County leash law ordinance is found at: http://www.jeffersoncountywv.org/Dog%20Ordinance%20-%20Leash%20adopted%207-8-04.pdf

[betcsu]

some dogs may be harmless but some people have a dog phobia and are terrified of any loose dog - big or small. just cuz YOU think your dog is harmless that does not mean that everyone else that encounters your dog thinks that. and just because you think your dog is harmless doesnt mean that the leash law (unenforced as it is) shouldnt apply to you...

[Subie]

Well said, betcsu. I am crazy about dogs myself (I have 2 of my own), but I feel that one of the responsibilities of owning a dog is respecting your neighbors, their property and their right to take a walk without having to keep track of which dogs are friendly and which ones aren't.

[Willis]

A counterpoint to Doc W's comment and one applicable to us geezers. I posted the story of a dog responsible for a Shannondale Woman's Death Linked

HERE. (http://www.shannondale.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=804&SearchTerms=walk,hip,nursing)

[KatherineA]

And - good grief, what is with the dogs around the "back" of J. B. Farm (the part that adjoins or is next to Shannondale along the River. Who owns all these animals and PLEASE keep your hearing aids in at night so you too can hear them all BARKING ALL *&%@ night long. Lately nights seem to be the time to let the dogs out and packs are running around my yard barking and barking and barking and . . . .

And to follow up on another point. I am one of those people who is deathly afraid of a strange dog and since moving here have not been able to ride my bike or go for a walk on the roads because of the theory that dogs should roam free so long as they are harmless (or not).

[Mommyof3]

I have a 3 year old son who is completely terrified of dogs too. Even the time when we found the cute puppy- my 3yr old was so scared- he ran and slid on the gravel and tore up his leg pretty bad. We were lucky that the puppy was friendly and small, (I was able to hold the dog while my son got up and got back in the wagon) becuase a larger dog probably would have chased and pounced on my son- even if he were being friendly. We like to go on walks, but we always have to be very cautious of loose dogs.

[berube27]

the county has spoken. there is a leash law now. pen em or chain em or lose em. very simple.

[xx(]

[Neal]

Current leash law does not cover barking:
New noise ordinance covers noise over normal speech: IE: Dogs, ATV's mini bikes, stereos... read on
http://www.jeffersoncountywv.org/NOISE%20ORDINANCE%20as%20Adopted.pdf


How loud is 65dbn: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/education/decibel/decible4.swf
Why 65dbn: http://www.saveourheritage.com/WP_noise.htm


quote:Originally posted by KatherineA

And - good grief, what is with the dogs around the "back" of J. B. Farm (the part that adjoins or is next to Shannondale along the River. Who owns all these animals and PLEASE keep your hearing aids in at night so you too can hear them all BARKING ALL *&%@ night long. Lately nights seem to be the time to let the dogs out and packs are running around my yard barking and barking and barking and . . . .

And to follow up on another point. I am one of those people who is deathly afraid of a strange dog and since moving here have not been able to ride my bike or go for a walk on the roads because of the theory that dogs should roam free so long as they are harmless (or not).

[mnmlovinwv]

I realize that the barking can be a nuisance during the night, but I'm not going to disipline my dogs for barking at another animal or someone that may be looking in my windows while I sleep (or maybe your window). I truely believe if there is a problem it might be best to go over and express your concerns with them before you take the easy way out and just make a phone call. It's a little rude to not even give a warning before you call in the authorities. (Just a thought)!!!

[berube27]

quote:Originally posted by mnmlovinwv

I realize that the barking can be a nuisance during the night, but I'm not going to disipline my dogs for barking at another animal or someone that may be looking in my windows while I sleep (or maybe your window). I truely believe if there is a problem it might be best to go over and express your concerns with them before you take the easy way out and just make a phone call. It's a little rude to not even give a warning before you call in the authorities. (Just a thought)!!!



express your concerns or call your neighbor and give him a warning?!? ummm next time i need that done, i will call you to do it for me. if you do it for me dont be mad at me if they shoot you. in my case, im callin the law.

[xx(]

[betcsu]

ya know, if the wave of all this recent crime, ive come to depend on the dog barking to alert me to which direction things are happening. sometimes it is just squirrels theyre barking at but id rather be alerted and it be nothing than not be alerted and end up the next victim again...

betcsu (better paranoid than sorry)

[KatherineA]

First, who said anything about calling the law? not me. It has be a better reason for me to call the law than barking dogs. And, what are the odds the law will even show up or do anything? Why call?

Second - barking because of strangers, a deer or whatever for a short burst is fine. I am talking about hours and hours of continuous barking and barking from midnight until I finally got up at 5:00 a.m. AND, they are barking in MY Yard where I don't have a dog,and so, I figure they are chasing deer and not guarding anybodies' house, let alone the owners' house.

[betcsu]

if they are barking in your yard then it goes back to the leash law...

[Neal]

Common sense...
- are dogs barking for security or wining and barking non stop from 11pm to 5am
- does the owner agree that there is a issue
- will the owner try to correct the issue
- enforce your rights under the law.


quote:Originally posted by mnmlovinwv

I realize that the barking can be a nuisance during the night...., It's a little rude to not even give a warning before you call in the authorities. (Just a thought)!!!

[circiex3]

I live in the Harpers Ferry Campsite area. I used to live in the Shannondale area. There is a HUGE difference in the dog 'attitude' between the two areas. When I moved to HFC I thought: 'When in Rome...' Where as in Shannondale, my dog was pert-near always behind a fence due to the fact that ALL the other dogs were (for the most part) behind fences or on leashes as well. Here in HFCs it is a whole different attitude! There are very few dogs that I have witnessed being chained up and/or inside of a fence. Therefore I did not require my dogs to be chained up as that would put MY dogs (babies) at a disadvantage when they were 'visited' by other dogs - most being somewhat aggressive I might add. My son nor myself can take a walk without being intimidated by a dog - let alone take one of our dogs with us! My God, that is just asking for a confrontation!!! Not to mention the fact that my boy can't even learn to ride a bike (!) unless he is in our drive way!
My dogs were 'arrested' for protecting their territory - my home - and it cost me ALOT of money to bail them out. (Does the ATD company have some kind of stock in this neighborhood?) The consequence? My dogs are chained up - I have an ear out for their every bark - there are 'No Trespassing' signs posted everywhere - I bought a gun for protection of my DOGS and our home and I am itching to use it - and I am the animal controls worst nightmare! I call on every dog I see loose....meaning if I see your dog...I will call...what is good for the goose is good for the gander -- it is only fair - don't you agree?

[phillip]

a dog bit the neighbors child a few months ago on stone ridge/hawthrone. this dog also confronted a couple and their child while on a walk with their dog and resisted his owners commands several times. any dog left to it's natural instincts can become a problem. a golden retriever, which is usually a good natured dog, was left to eventually lead a pack and was pulling apart a puppy in the neighbors yard. this dog had been let out in the past by a 3 year old who was left to roam about while the mother admittedly 'went back to bed'. This owner 'thought' it was appropriate to let her dogs roam no matter what they did as there was no leash law- . many are the truthfull stories of this dogs activities. it would circle you and nip at your heals if you weren't on top of the situation. it is such a shame that people move here and don't walk or ride their bikes. we moved here because of the closeness to the ap.trail and the river but my wife will not walk by herself any more and with MS, she needs to exercise as much as possible. buying a treadmill helps but why live in the blue ridge mountains if you can't enjoy the fresh air? it sure is 'wild' but it's not very 'wonderfull' in WV these days- almost heaven- almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades they say-

[austrianalps]

:(reading this makes me very sad. please people put your dogs on leashes and build a fence if you want to just open the door and let them run. and for your wife's walking fear-maybe try one of those dog repellent noise clips (I have seen them in a cataloge) and I would carry a pepper spray. that way if a dog ever confronts you, you can defend yourself. I know that really should not be like that but maybe it is a little bit of a help. (We are moving to John Brown Farm and I think I am going to buy a dog trap so I can drop the free roaming once off at the shelter..)

[Briant]

I ran into that Golden retriever a couple of times, started carrying a stick with me for future encounters. Oh and berube if I lived by I would make sure my dog was real quite, wouldn't want you to be disturbed by my dog when your house is getting broken into.

Brian

[berube27]

briant,

first of all its "QUIET", not "quite" (sorry willis i had to do it [:p]) and second of all i dont care how much noise a dog makes as long as he makes it in his owners yard and stays the @#$% out of mine.

can you show me where i complained about noise? duh... nowhere, thats where.

read man. reeeeeeeeeeeeeead

[xx(]

[Scott T]

I found a great way to keep dogs out of my trash. We had a problem with the neighbors dogs getting in our trash the night before pickup. Even with tie downs or weight on the lids they figured a way to get into it. Talking to the neighbors did no good. So I picked up a bottle of Dave's Insanity Hot Sauce. This stuff is very hot, made with an extract from the habenero chili. On the night before pickup I made 2 small peanut butter sandwiches, filled the middles with a bit of Dave's sauce and stuck them on top of the cans. About 2 AM I heard a bunch of yelping going on across the street. The dogs had found the special treats. The heat eventually subsided and the dogs were fine, but they have not been near my trash cans since. Simple but effective.

[Willis]

berube, you KNOW I don't like using a spelling error to try to score points in a discussion- As a non-typist, I've put a myriad of gaffes on the board, particularly when spell check doesn't catch them. imho cheap shots are a definite no, no!!

It seems from reading the thread as it pertains to barking, that constant barking is about an effective warning as someone's car alarm sounding continuously. What good is a dog perpetually raising a racket of use as warning of a break-in? Nada, zip, zilch, squat(diddly or doodly). To be effective the dog has to be quiet until an intruder triggers the barking.

Some of us are idly rich (or poor) and don't work, but the majority need all the shut-eye we can get just to get thru the week. So if you can't take the time to train your animal properly then perhaps you shouldn't have one(P.S., this also applies to one's own spawn, too!)

[Briant]

quote:Originally posted by berube27


quote:Originally posted by mnmlovinwv

I realize that the barking can be a nuisance during the night, but I'm not going to disipline my dogs for barking at another animal or someone that may be looking in my windows while I sleep (or maybe your window). I truely believe if there is a problem it might be best to go over and express your concerns with them before you take the easy way out and just make a phone call. It's a little rude to not even give a warning before you call in the authorities. (Just a thought)!!!



express your concerns or call your neighbor and give him a warning?!? ummm next time i need that done, i will call you to do it for me. if you do it for me dont be mad at me if they shoot you. in my case, im callin the law.

[xx(]


My bad berube, I guess your reply to this quote had nothing to do about a dog barking? I thank you for your attention to my spelling or lack thereof,:) I am sure you realize I should be capitalized as is the first word of a sentence, and callin should be calling, dont should be don't, just as im should be I'm.

Brian

[Willis]

See, guys, this is what happens when we start casting stones instead of keeping on subject. Time to start over in a new thread-Topic Locked