Wtf

[BigTom]

What's happened to the forum? With everything political that's been in the news lately you'd think there'd be some discussion here, but nothing. Are people afraid to talk politics? Has the forum gotten so right wing that the lefties are afraid to speak? Do I need to point out that's it's an election year? There's alot to talk about but not a peep on S&B. No talk about the Walker recall, Clinton screwing Obama, Shirley being indicted, the out of charactor silence from the locals running for office nothing. WTF!

[LFE]

It got nice out... and maybe folks finely figured out that there is more to life then a forum or facebook :-)
19:00
Down By the River - Phish and Neil Young

[kemeigen]

Or here's an idea. Want to talk politics then start a thread.

[KatherineA]

People only want to use the forum for their own interests - like when it is snowing or if Mission is closed. Otherwise they could give a crap about providing information or opinions to their neighbors about local or national issues, unless they can do it face to face with likeminded people so there is no worry about any dissenting opinion.

Obviously, many do not want to keep a vibrant open forum where people can respectfully disagree and even agree on issues.

For example, I was even discouraged both off line and in the thread on the Campground issue from discussing it on the foru as it would not help the process and people intimately involved - like the adjacent neighbors and the developer - should (or want to???) resolve the issues with the county off the forum.

[The Good Tony]

Large Tom, are you working for Tony now trying to boost ratings?
The liberals are losing ground and they all went back under their rocks.
Just look at CNN's ratings, MSNBC, and NBC. they are all in the tank on news. Fox has 80%.
Look how much those three talk about gay issues, one would think 25% of America is gay, well the fact is only 1-2% are gay.

maybe folks finely figured out that there is more to life then a forum or facebook

Ya, right. They just dummie up when they(liberals) are losing the game. That's all. They have no life other than to hurt others and sponge off of others.

[KatherineA]

I would never sponge off you Good Tony or sponge you off.

[Chutney Daftcraft]

the fact is only 1-2% are gay.

Homosexuality is God's way of ensuring that the truly gifted are not burdened with unplanned children.

Listen, God can't make everyone awesome. Many folks have to settle for the life that their sexual proclivities have limited them to. It's always a shame when the not-awesome take their jealousy to the voting booth like they did in North Carolina.

[JediKnight]

Just look at CNN's ratings, MSNBC, and NBC. they are all in the tank on news. Fox has 80%.
Look how much those three talk about gay issues, one would think 25% of America is gay, well the fact is only 1-2% are gay.

That only means that 80% of television viewers are stupid and uninformed as opposed to the other 20% that happen to only be stupid.



While 1-2% of people in the U.S. may be openly gay, I believe the percentage of closeted homosexual conservatives is closer to 50%-99%. Seriously conservatives seem to have gay on the brain throughout most of thier waking hours and I can't even imagine what thier dreams may entail. Gay illegal immigrants stealing conservatives guns in order to make open war on Christianity and supplant it with socialism. All the while makeing men wear dresses and stay at home while thier wives go out and earn a living rounding up all American flags and burning them. All culminating in a national pledge of fealty to our Chinese Communist Overlords.

[derricksonb]

While I may be a conservative my viewpoints and beliefs towards issues like gay marriage and abortion tend to lean more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact my ideology of those issues tends to be on par with a statement made by Democratic political strategist Mr James Carville- "I was against gay marriage until I realized I didn't have to get one."

I'd also remind you that the same man also made there following statement, "The teachings of the Church line up more with the Democratic Party than the Republican Party..... We should not run away from religious teachings. We should run to them."

At the end of the day these are not the real issues that Americans should be concerned about. These are the issues that the Obama Campaign would like us to focus on because they CAN NOT run a successful campaign based on his growing list of failed policies, rising unemployment, raising of the debt ceiling, skyrocketing national debt, unsecured borders and fuel prices that are still over $1.80 higher per gallon than when he took office.

Then there is the issue of Attorney General Eric Holder suing the state of Florida because they want to enforce stricter control at the polling places by requiring photo identification for all voters. Holder alleges that this is discriminatory towards minorities. This is the same Attorney General who sued the state of Arizona because they wanted to enforce immigration laws that the federal government would not.

And since BigTom brought it up let's discuss the Walker recall. This should send a chilling message to the Obama campaign and to the administration in general. Even though that state is all but controlled by the Unions Walker has stepped up and all but eliminated the stranglehold they had on government contracts in the state, reduced the cost of doing business by requiring non-union contracts and has been able to put more people to work as a result. Most of the automotive industry has fled Detroit because of the high cost of doing business in a union town. Instead they have moved their factories to Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Indiana and North Carolina where they could hire local labor at a lower rate, reducing the cost of producing their vehicles and making them more competitively priced with their Japanese counterparts and been able to turn a profit instead of operating in the red. The fact that a Democrat could not claim the governorship of a predominantly and historically Democratic state speaks volumes about President Obama's chances for re-election in 2012.

Which leads me into the recent Bill Clinton verses Obama comments. I like Clinton and I think he is an incredibly intelligent man. As such I believe that he realizes that his wife's opportunities to become the first female President of the United States are dwindling and if Obama manages to get re-elected and continues to run the economy into the dirt then she will have ZERO CHANCE to get elected in 2016. It actually benefits Hillary in the long run for Bill to point out where his thinking on foreign and domestic policies differ from Obama in order to sway some democrats to support Romney in November.

[cleveland rocks]

Hey LFE Check out Roy Buchanan "Down By the River" on a rainy day.

[The Good Tony]

I don't understand why they did that. Gay's should have the same rights as us woman loving men. Gay's should be able to suffer like any married couple if they want to.

take their jealousy to the voting booth like they did in North Carolina

[KatherineA]

On that whole union thing and Walker and the vote in California - there is an interesting perspective on that in an article on Fedsmith.com. Unfortunately, public employee unions have forgotten the issues of fairness and the concept of public service.

Disclaimer: I am not a member of a fed. employee union and cannot be because of the nature of my work.

http://www.fedsmith.com/article/3457...employees.html

In part:

Back in 1937, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to the National Federation of Federal Employees congratulating the union on its 20th anniversary.

He also threw in a few gratuitous comments about the role of unions in government. Here is what he wrote:

The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations.

[BigTom]

Finally some intelligent conversation (some of you not all of you).
My thought on Clinton's recent comments are that he really dislikes Obama, he has no respect for him, and he thinks he's an idiot . (Wow who'd have ever thought I'd agree with Bill Clinton.) I think he's holding back as best he can from voicing most of his real opinion. He doesn't want to piss the Democrats off so his wife will have a chance to get elected president someday. I don't think Obama likes Bill much either but he really needs his support and his fund raising. I'm just hoping one of them will screw up and piss off the other one so we can see how they really feel about each other.
I didn't think much of Clinton as president but looking back he was a much better president, statesman, and politician than Obama could ever hope to be.
For the record I'm a registered Independent with fairly moderate opinions. I'm on the fence about abortion, I could care less if you're gay or not, I'm against the death penalty and I watch both CNN and Fox News.

[Tony]

Just look at CNN's ratings, MSNBC, and NBC. they are all in the tank on news. Fox has 80%.

I assume you have some reference for that claim? It's true FNC beats any other single channel, but that's because viewers aren't particularly entertained by reasonable people making reasonable points. It's lots more fun to watch some of the idiots on FNC rant and rave.

Anyway, here's yesterday's ratings: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...6-2012/137138/

In the prime demographic that translates to:
Fox: 256K+9K = 265K
"Liberal" media: 91+100+40+78 = 309K

Hardly an 80% 'win'. If another conservative network were to join the fray, it would dilute Fox and we'd have to add them together also. But then in fairness you have to subtract at least 75% of their audience that are just liberals watching for the laughs.

[Stirring_the_Pot]

Homosexuality is God's way of ensuring that the truly gifted are not burdened with unplanned children.

Listen, God can't make everyone awesome. Many folks have to settle for the life that their sexual proclivities have limited them to. It's always a shame when the not-awesome take their jealousy to the voting booth like they did in North Carolina.

Right or wrong the folks of North Carolina exercised their right to vote! That's the whole point, it's a individuals right - to vote, the same as an individualsright= to bitch about it. Then again with all the other friggin real problems we are currently facing a little less bitching by both the left and the right and more sweat of the brow, honesty and plain ole talk of we are in bad shape and have to work together to fix it seems to be more pressing than worrying about who is kissing who.

[cindylu]

He doesn't want to piss the Democrats off so his wife will have a chance to get elected president someday.

She could very well be the best president. The quote after Bill was elected, "the wrong Clinton won".

[derricksonb]

She could very well be the best president. The quote after Bill was elected, "the wrong Clinton won".

I disagree with that statement, but I'm not alone in believing that Hillary would have been the better Democratic Candidate for President in 2008 and a better President with more executive experience over Obama.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-...on-125541.html

[BigTom]

Hillary is so much more qualified than the current fool, but in 2008 Obama was an easier product to sell. He's going to be alot harder sell this time. He had no record, no resume, and people believed what his speech writers were writing for him.
I find it ironic that the party who likes to tell people they're so educated are so easily conned. I know alot of people who've voted Democrat all their lives that say they are not going to vote for him again. Even the nut job factor in the Democratic Party is alot quieter than in 2008. How do you defend Obama's record? It's going to be real hard to be a Democrat this time.
His campaign slogan in 2008 was "Hope and change". This time he should use a line from the Wizard of Oz "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

[Chutney Daftcraft]

Right or wrong the folks of North Carolina exercised their right to vote! That's the whole point, it's a individuals right - to vote, the same as an individualsright= to bitch about it. Then again with all the other friggin real problems we are currently facing a little less bitching by both the left and the right and more sweat of the brow, honesty and plain ole talk of we are in bad shape and have to work together to fix it seems to be more pressing than worrying about who is kissing who.

I think you are right.

We need to establish a grand jury that convenes every Monday morning, and every couple (straight, gay, etc) applying to be married should have to stand before this committee and plead their case, followed by an up or down vote on whether they can get married or not.

Voting ROCKS!

What's funny is they didn't *have* to vote down there. They didn't public vote last time they tried this crap in NC...



It's awesome how history repeats itself. The beauty in that is I know how this is going to go, thanks in part to the forbidden couples of yesteryear.

[LFE]

The Enola Gay was not...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enola_Gay