As long as ALL churches are allowed the right to refuse "service" to individuals that do not meet marriage criteria based on their faith. What's the issue? If you don't recognize gay marriage as an individual, corporation or church that's your opinion and right. As long as the government grows a pair and defines marriage for what it should be, the union of two consenting adults, this whole issue is moot. We sure could take a huge step forward if we could get a true separation of church and state and keep government out of religion and religion out of government.
Grafxgirl- Very impressive argument regarding the ownership of local stores as franchises, but unfortunately The headquarters of Chick-Fil-A and the CEO still profit from the sale and distribution of their products as well as receive a portion of the profits from each store that represents their brand. Still there are others who share your same argument of protestors hurting the franchisee and local employees more so than Cathy or the Corporation itself.
Just to play Devil's Advocate..... Jedi- If humans evolved from monkeys and apes then why are there still monkeys and apes?Originally Posted by JediKnight
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"BRIAN, Close the window! You're letting all the Stank out...." "Ahh, ahh, ahh and boom goes the dynamite."
DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS(It's not nice to pick on retards.)
KFC weighs in on the controversy
Chick-fil-a president: "We need to boost sales, suggestions?"
Chick-fil-a VP sales: "Tell the world you don't support gay marriage! It's freedom of speech."
Chick-fil-a president: "DAFUQ?!?!??!"
Chick-fil-a VP sales: "Trust me on this..."
--- August 1, 2012 sales through the roof
Chick-fil-a president: " BRILLIANT!"
I think in a biblical sense God is said to have created all things, including Adam, Steve, Eve, and Eva. And the apes and monkeys. That She chose to make some of them like each other is a mystery we may never understand, but should learn to accept.
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If you think for one moment that the second the federal government re-defines marriage to include same sex couples that discrimination lawsuits against prominent churches won't be filed instantly, you sir are naive. The whole of this arguement is soley based on religous freedom.
Then perhaps religion needs to be more focused on maintaining the boundaries of separation of church and state than they currently are.
Of course, that would mean that they don't get to enjoy the other end of that, you know, the whole using their religion to influence laws they wish to have passed. So I guess their obsession with abortion will be to blame when they start getting their asses sued off because they cannot seem to stay the F out of national politics. Their fault, not ours.
Believe me, we are very well aware of where we are not welcome. It's sad that the Church has become so exclusive. I cannot wait for the rapture to come and take me away from all of his followers. It will be sad to look down upon them as they go through that because see, we have compassion that was nurtured by their shunning of us.
Chutney I agree completely. However it's no different then any corporation donating to the canidate that has their best interests at heart. They have a right to lobby for whatever they please. Doesn't mean it will change anything but they can try. Abortion is a perfect example. There's actually alot of churches that are very much accepting of same sex couples and I expect that to continue to grow.
You do realize that within this post you completely contradict yourself, right?
To answer your assumption, Yes I do realize that protest is an expression of the first amendment rights, but that constitutionally protected protest is attempting to stiffle the first amendment rights of another based on his religious views. What's funny about your statement is that Mr Cathy has not said that he has any desire to make others feel as he does where as the more vocal protesters and gay rights groups are demanding that everyone else agree with their agendas. What separates humans from other species is that we were born with free will and we are basically going to do what we feel is right. When other people tell us how we are supposed to think and feel about things that tends to make us angry and want to do the opposite. I believe that was witnessed by the hour, hour and a half and in some cases two hour long lines at Chick-Fil-A yesterday.
I concur with that statement. For the record I have not "gone out of my way" to support the opinion of their CEO as I do not agree with it, but I have gone out of my way to protect his right to say it.Originally Posted by JediKnight
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Direct tax statements of donations: http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990p...1012_990PF.pdf
Marriage and Family Foundation: $1,188,380
I don't really even have to expand on this one.What we are doing:
Opposing Domestic Partner Benefits - Homosexual advocates have worked to diminish the status of marriage by providing marriage benefits to any relationship. Already, private companies in Virginia can do so. Despite a marriage amendment that prohibits this, efforts are underway to expand this to state and local government.
Opposing Homosexual Behavior as a Protected Class - Every year there are efforts in Virginia to add homosexuality to the list of protected classes in non-discrimination laws. This is not only unnecessary, as no evidence of discrimination exists, but has potential negative ramifications on religious liberty.
Fellowship of Christian Athletes: $480,000
Coach saved from homosexuality through God's love. Just pray, kids, and God will save you, too.
Of note, you also cannot be a leader in this organization if you don't sign the purity pledge, which forbids homosexual relations/relationships.
Exodus International: $1000
Note that that article is written this past month, and that these donations were made in 2010, while they were still going strong on conversion therapy. Also note... that whatever it is that their workshops are trying to do now, it pretty much boils down to praying away the gay, however they try to spin it.Earlier this year, Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus International, addressed the Gay Christian Network, which was notable because many in the network are more open to gay relationships. Chambers said that "99.9 percent" of the people he had met through Exodus International either had not changed their sexual attraction or still struggled with temptation. He got a laugh when he told the gathering that there are no quick fixes, "no hocus pocus, no magic wands, no '1-2-3, now be free, go be straight, date and mate!' "
Last month, Exodus International made it official: It would no longer associate with or promote therapy that focuses on changing sexual attraction.