(Not that it will matter Friday )
(Not that it will matter Friday )
Wear your seatbelts! They will save your life.
New road? NOOOO! Demolishing an eyesore in town to build a functioning business? NOOOO!! Table games? NOOOO, there are going to be hookers everywhere! Build a second high school so that kids don't have to go to class in trailers? NOOOO!!!!!
The intersection is not a perfect solution, but it's the solution that our state could afford.
New road - not a NOOOO but a yes; but done right not half assed - it is awesome to get to Martinsburg or Shepherdstown or Kearneysville in 30-40 min. instead of an hour
Yes to: Demolishing an eyesore in town for CVS - I love the CVS there! It is a great convenience, clean, easy to get to and does get me downtown to pick up some things because it has some grocery items and stuff. Also gets me to shop downtown at Albert and Arnolds when I ordinarily might not during the week or grab some coffee or something to eat at J. Java
Yes - Table games why not?
Yes - Hookers - why not? (it should be legal anyway)
Yes - build a 2nd high school so kids do not have to be in trailers - why not? seriously there was discussion on S&B against a new high school or is that just made up?
Yes - I don't fit your stereotype lumping system.
“I know up on the top you are seeing great sights, but down at the bottom we, too, should have rights. "Yertle the Turtle and Other Stories"” by Dr. Seuss
I've not seen detailed budget and planning calculations for the new Rt. 9, but it's conceivable that they may have involved not only out-and-out cost savings, but also the widespread practice of benchmarking. In this case, that would mean planning of this intersection based on some database of info about other at-grade intersections with state highways that have similar traffic loads - but, without fully studying and thinking through the specifics of the given intersection: mountaintop location, interface with a very different highway in another state, various patterns among the residents of the mountain (where we work, where we shop, etc.), etc. This is speculation on my part, but I do know that various WV state agencies use benchmarking. One wild example was the property assessments that occurred on the mountain a few years ago, when the state instructed assessors to use a computerized assessment program designed for fairly homogenous tract developments. In mountain neighborhoods where 1200 sq ft homes are side-by-side with 3500+ sq ft ones, this resulted in some truly bizarre assessments, especially on land values, even after application of all the "equalizing" coefficients and even discounting how much of it was due to the real estate bubble.
A lot of people were against the new road from the start. Complaints arising now about the new intersection are just a stab at justification for he previous unfounded contention that the road should not be built. The reality is that they could have built the most modern perfect intersection in history and people would have found something else to complain about. You could see this coming 50 miles away.
-All of the bad things that were going to happen when tables games were introduced have not happened. We're not overrun with prostitutes and mafia.
-The Charles Town CVS is a huge improvement to the streetscape downtown. Nobody missed the abandoned building.
-We're surviving with two high schools instead of one.
-The intersection with be fine. People aren't crashing there.
Change is not bad. It's OK. Calm down.
Just heard from hubby that crews were working at the intersection today around 1:00 working on some drainage issues. Perhaps this is just the beginning of the hoped for completion of this intersection (115). There have been state vehicles parked there along with what looks like a construction trailer, so i am believing that the finished product will be better. Got to give them a chance to finish and hope that in the meantime, no one gets hurt!!!
Discussions of the second high school began in the 1970s, soon after the old high schools were consolidated into Jefferson. Jefferson was immediately overpopulated, but the county couldn't do anything about it because people were afraid to take obviously needed action. It's the same thinking that prevented this section of road to be built for 35 years.
Not sure if that's what you meant to write, but anyway. The old road was dangerous and needed to be replaced. Based on observations and experience, my view is that the new intersection is also dangerous; in that particular place, perhaps more so.You can't reasonably complain about the new intersection AND contend that the old road didn't need to be replaced.
"The issue" I addressed is road safety. Obviously there are other issues that can be discussed separately, but you responded to my post, which was about road safety, not "resistance to change." I am pro-change, pro-progress, pro-high speed rail, pro-nuclear power, and many other things. Also pro-road safety.Road safety is not the issue, resistance to change is the issue.
I wasn't involved in any public discussions about whether or not the road should be built, though when I heard about it I was glad. On my part, concerns about the new intersection arose only after seeing, the day it opened, what its configuration was.Complaints arising now about the new intersection are just a stab at justification for he previous unfounded contention that the road should not be built.
I have opinions on three out of the other four issues you mention. They don't all coincide with what you presume. The fourth issue I've never heard of. None of this has any bearing on whether or not an intersection is designed safely.Similarly:
As far as the intersection of 9/Chestnut Hill Rd, I think maybe two lights for illumination would sufficient enough to make night time drivers aware that it is an at-grade intersection. Having flashing lights on warning signs a few hundred yards before that (and the Cattail Run Rd.) intersection, plus minimal lighting, would/should adequately warn sober motorists with at least a three-digit IQ to pay extra attention. Cheaper than a cloverleaf, and a helluva lot better than the horrid thought of a stoplight --- or anything else that impedes the smooth flow of traffic on that highway, from the State line to the 340 bypass.
"No bastard ever won a War by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country."
--- George S. Patton
I wonder if a split-grade intersection like the Route 9/Wiltshire Rd. interchange couldn't have been made to work there. That's what's usually done when a high-traffic road and a lower-traffic one need to intersect.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams
Two things... One, they poorly plan highways on purpose. It helps with workflow continuity. If they built them right the first time, they'd not have the opportunity ten years later to go back and redo it differently. Two, they can't do anything about lighting at cattail run. That part of the highway is depressed and tree lined on purpose to minimize it's impact on the scenery there of some historic properties. It would be ignorant to go through now and put bright lights there. Some folks need to understand its not ok to ruin shit just because they want what they want.
The intersection at Cat Tail Run Road is nearly ideal and needs no improvements other than the turn lanes being lengthened, which would be nothing more than a little line re-painting. Until then I'll just ride the shoulder prior to turning.
If you do not know if I am joking or just being an asshole. Assume both.
Received a notice in my email about yet another meeting on this topic. Willis' advice is still good advice... if you can't attend, use the power of the pen.
NOTICE OF SPECIAL SESSION
COUNTY COMMISSION OF JEFFERSON COUNTY
The County Commission of Jefferson County will hold a Special Session on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 at 11:15 a.m. in the County Commission meeting room located at the Old Charles Town Library, 200 East Washington Street, Charles Town, WV 25414.
The County Commission will be meeting with Senator John Unger and the West Virginia Department of Highways to discuss safety issues at Cattail Run Rd/Rt 9 and Charles Town Rd/ Rt9 intersections.
Anyone wishing to provide written or oral comment may do so at this meeting or send comments to [email protected].
By Order of the County Commission of Jefferson County
At least they left enough room to build a really big rotory :-)