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    Angry "...Poorer, Less Educated, and Elderly" = WV

    This morning I did something I have avoided doing for some time (the reason being that even hearing the reporters’ ramp about this farce of a presidential campaign is like bathing in bilge). I turned on the TV to listen to the news. It was really early, between 4 and 5 a.m., and I thought it relatively safe (re hearing the B or H word) and I am interested in events of the world and local events other than politics, which I thought I would hear. Wrong! The first thing I heard was that Hilary Clinton won the WV Democratic Primary, and the reporter described the win as, "As expected...among the poorer, less educated and elderly." Turning on the TV to the station I left it on the last time I watched it, I am unable to swear which channel came in, but I believe it was Channel 4, NBC, and the reporter's name is Joe (something or the other, last name unknown to me). Angry and shocked, and in effort to avoid hearing anymore “news” about this presidential election (which is in my opinion the biggest news media persecution and prosecution of a woman since Barbara Graham) I immediately (almost reflexively by now) flicked to a channel that doesn’t carry the news. Whether for HC or BO or JM, it is undeniable to anyone with even one little gray cell that the news media (at least the periodic small portions I’ve heard before I could get it off, as in this case) is and has been doing everything it possibly can to belittle and even slaughter HC. Now it is transferring its overt dislike of her to those who vote for her. If Hilary wants an apology from the news media, she can ask for it. I believe the news media owes WV an apology, and as a WV resident I am asking for one.
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    Yeah, I heard some news outlets that were essentially saying that they expected a Clinton victory because we're racist.
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    Sadly, I heard on the news this morning that 1 in 5 WV's said that race WAS a factor in their vote for Hillary.
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    I saw a fabolous article on WHAG 25 news last night about a Hil volunteer who left a message on a Shepherdstown woman's machine telling her to vote for Hil. Then after the volunteer thought she had disconnected, she went on joking to her co-workers about how the lady didn't pick up b/c she thought the caller was a bill collector and how West Virginians were so poor.

    So we're all stupid poor racists now
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    I saw the same things on the news this morning, and I also saw the news last night which said that WV was uneducated and low income. I thought it was channel 5 however because it came on after Hell's Kitchen?
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    Well, now, that's interesting. That's the same thing they said about people who voted for George Bush.

    Having come from a more rural area of WV than this once upon a time, I actually was pondering the race question - I have had relatives that would not have voted for Obama because of his race. But I'm not sure they would have voted for Hillary, either. I do remember my grandmother saying "There ain't been but one damn Democrat in the family, and he died!"

    Anyway, I view that sort of media stuff as just more evidence of the media's arrogance, ignorance, and biases. And I'm not a Hillary supporter by any means.
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    From yesterday's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

    http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com...881318-153.stm

    In relevant part:

    With the presumptive Democratic nominee running 30 points behind Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in West Virginia, the sound we're most likely to hear when the polls close in Appalachia tonight is the Confederate rebel yell boiling up from the swamps of time.
    We heard a little bit of that yell last week when Mrs. Clinton gave an interview to USA Today that sounded like it could have been the winning oration in the 1948 "Li'l Miss Dixiecrat" competition.
    "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," Mrs. Clinton told a reporter before citing an Associated Press piece "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states [Indiana and North Carolina] who had not completed college were supporting me."
    Asked if she was being racially divisive in her appeal to superdelegates, the candidate was unapologetic.
    "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election," she said. "Everybody knows that."
    The rebel yell picked up speed over the weekend when Amy Poehler, brilliantly channeling the candidate during the opening sketch of "Saturday Night Live," made her covert appeal to racial resentment a little more overt:
    "My supporters are racist," Ms. Poehler as Hillary said, ticking off several reasons the superdelegates should back her claim for the nomination over Mr. Obama's.
    "If and when I am the nominee, Sen. Obama's African-American supporters will be disappointed, perhaps, but they will rally to me.
    "If, however, Sen. Obama is the nominee, my supporters will refuse to vote for him. Partly because I will secretly tell them not to, but mainly because they are racially biased [audience laughter and applause] and would never vote for an African-American candidate. I'm not bragging. That's just the way it is."
    The rebel yell roared with a vengeance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" yesterday when political commentator Pat Buchanan and the Congressional Quarterly's Craig Crawford defended Mrs. Clinton's statement as perfectly reasonable in a heated exchange with a visibly disgusted Chris Matthews.
    Note to Mrs. Clinton: You are definitely having a bad day when one of your most prominent defenders in the media is Pat Buchanan and the other is the only mainstream reporter in America who didn't think Bill Clinton was engaging in coded speech when he compared Mr. Obama's primary victory in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson's in 1984 and 1988.
    So, tonight the polls will close and Mrs. Clinton will have easily collected 99 percent of the white vote in West Virginia. She will crow about her electability in a smug but meaningless victory speech on a stage featuring dozens of "hard-working Americans, white Americans" standing behind her waving flags.
    Bill and Chelsea will grimace through it all, knowing that the jig is up and that the dream of the next phase of the Clinton dynasty has come to an ignoble end.
    While no Confederate battle flags will be visible, they will feel it in the air. Mrs. Clinton's greatest victory will be a triumph of the kind of identity politics that makes a nation smaller.
    Still, she will resist the urge to dip Skoal and spit juice into a coffee can on live television.


    Thing is, Hillary HAS played the race card and the gender card constantly, trying to make this into a contest where she deserves to win just because she's a white woman who deserves the presidency just because Bill used to have it, not because she has any good ideas. The negative reporting coming back now is just her chickens coming home to roost.
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    Camille Paglia, an unapologetic Democrat wonk, is piling on Hill now too.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/...14/tarantella/

    So is James Carville, once one of Hillary's most loyal attack dogs.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/...ddemocrats.php

    And Dana Milbanks evokes Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch to describe Hillary's current chances

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...302862_pf.html

    It's SO over for Hillary. She's just staying in out of spite now, trying to get the Obama camp and the DNC to buy her off by offering her money to retire her debt or a promise that she can have the nomination in 2012.

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    It's amazing how people think they know the thoughts of others and rant about it as fact. Quite possibly she is hanging in there because she DESERVES to fight her fight out? I mean, hey, she is winning all the swing states that have determined past elections. Why should she drop out now?
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    You're right. I agree. Obama's only ahead in delegate totals and pledged superdelegates. The mere fact that she cannot possibly catch up by any mathematical means should not stop her, nor should she quit just because he's flush with money and she's over twenty million dollars in debt to other people. Every day that she stays in hurts him by forcing him to spend money that he could otherwise devote to the general election, and her attack dogs keep savaging him, making him even weaker when he goes against McCain. I wholeheartedly agree that she should keep this up, and I agree with her logic that says that sooner or later, the party will pay her to go away. Also her only chance now to ever be President is for McCain to beat Obama so that she can run against McCain in 2012. Every day that she keeps sniping at Obama makes that more likely.

    If I was Hillary and if I had nothing but contempt for the party that wouldn't give me the crown just because of who my husband was, and if I just cared about me, me, me, I'd be doing exactly what she'd doing.

    Go Hillary! Don't make my vote for you yesterday mean nothing!

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    Because she'd have to go against the voters to get the nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromCity2Country View Post
    Because she'd have to go against the voters to get the nomination.
    Screw the voters. Hillary wants it and the will of the people shouldn't stand in her way.

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    I know. Trust me, I know. Her will won't stand in my way, either. Even if she says "no", I'm still gonna tap that till the sunrise. Because she's showing that No doesn't neccesarily mean No.

    But she won't be saying No once I start fiddling with her Clinton and firing that engine up...

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    What's sad is the constant reference of race and gender by the media when it comes to who voted for this or that candidate. It's bad enough that we have to use the liberal and conservative labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoHits View Post
    What's sad is the constant reference of race and gender by the media when it comes to who voted for this or that candidate. It's bad enough that we have to use the liberal and conservative labels.

    I honestly agree with you on this. This election could have been historic as the first one with black and female candidates that didn't erode down to mere race and gender as eventual deciding factors. And one of the things that I will credit Obama for is that he did not go there and play on his race or skin color. I actually respect him for that.

    But much of the race/gender stuff has come from the Hillary camp directly or from her supporters and it started as soon as Obama began pulling ahead of her. She took it there and now we're stuck there. I guess that women and minorities will have to wait for another day if they want to be able to run in a race and gender-free contest.

    Thanks Hillary. Setting back women and minorities is one more addition to your legacy.

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    Talking I fall in that group

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    Some people think that Obama was the one playing the race card all along...

    Trumpeted again here.

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    Obama didn't manufacture THIS Hillary claim.

    "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
    [USA Today]

    "White people want me, not him." Shades of Robert Byrd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    Obama didn't manufacture THIS Hillary claim.

    "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
    [USA Today]

    "White people want me, not him." Shades of Robert Byrd!
    OK, first of all, that's not what she said. That's what you just said. She analyzed the data, and apparantly came to the conclusion that certain segments of the population support her.

    You just dragged what she said down to the lowest common denominator. Just like Obama's camp. Who's race-baiting now?

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